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		<title>By: Data and views and views of data &#171; ArchivePress + APrints</title>
		<link>http://bavatuesdays.com/archiving-aint-easy-bringing-old-one-off-wp-sites-into-wpmu/comment-page-1/#comment-85601</link>
		<dc:creator>Data and views and views of data &#171; ArchivePress + APrints</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in terms of approach, this feels like it&#8217;s almost at the other extreme to Jim Groom&#8217;s WPMU archive, where every blog exists under one WPMU instance, with all its original content, colours, context, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in terms of approach, this feels like it&rsquo;s almost at the other extreme to Jim Groom&rsquo;s WPMU archive, where every blog exists under one WPMU instance, with all its original content, colours, context, [...]
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		<title>By: ArchivePress &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Data and views and views of data</title>
		<link>http://bavatuesdays.com/archiving-aint-easy-bringing-old-one-off-wp-sites-into-wpmu/comment-page-1/#comment-82501</link>
		<dc:creator>ArchivePress &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Data and views and views of data</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in terms of approach, this feels like it&#8217;s almost at the other extreme to Jim Groom&#8217;s WPMU archive, where every blog exists under one WPMU instance, with all its original content, colours, context, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Reverend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

Sorry my confusion, that as a kind of reflection of the comments on the original blog makes a lot of sense, and feedburner already does that for wordpress.com blogs, which is a nice feature.

I also like that citation tool, we&#039;re planning on playing with Zotero now that it has a shared online database and feeds, using it to pull in bibliographies based a an assortment of feeds might prove interesting. 

There is a good example of this explained &lt;a href=&quot;http://tawawa.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a3ce4e45c979a8523a2098808847fcc5&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Richard,</p>
<p>Sorry my confusion, that as a kind of reflection of the comments on the original blog makes a lot of sense, and feedburner already does that for&nbsp;<a href="http://wordpress.com" title="http://wordpress. " target="_blank">wordpress.com</a> blogs, which is a nice feature.</p>
<p>I also like that citation tool, we&#8217;re planning on playing with Zotero now that it has a shared online database and feeds, using it to pull in bibliographies based a an assortment of feeds might prove interesting. </p>
<p>There is a good example of this explained <a href="http://tawawa.org/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.
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		<title>By: Richard M. Davis</title>
		<link>http://bavatuesdays.com/archiving-aint-easy-bringing-old-one-off-wp-sites-into-wpmu/comment-page-1/#comment-81753</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard M. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps not making myself clear - archiving comments from the live blog is essential - I just meant it doesn&#039;t need to be a two-way thing (like I think you discussed &lt;a href=&quot;http://bavatuesdays.com/achilles-heel-of-the-syndication-bus/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). In effect, on the aggregating/archiving blog, &quot;comments are closed&quot; - though they can continue to be imported from the live blog.

BTW, this &lt;a href=&quot;http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/2006/03/30/academic-citations/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;citation plugin&lt;/a&gt; is nice too - just the kind of unobtrusive scholarly/academic/library accoutrements that could add value to the collection for the researcher-of-the-future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=d527e81c478ffd01084677e724acf584&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Perhaps not making myself clear &#8211; archiving comments from the live blog is essential &#8211; I just meant it doesn&#8217;t need to be a two-way thing (like I think you discussed <a href="http://bavatuesdays.com/achilles-heel-of-the-syndication-bus/" rel="nofollow">here</a>). In effect, on the aggregating/archiving blog, &#8220;comments are closed&#8221; &#8211; though they can continue to be imported from the live blog.</p>
<p>BTW, this <a href="http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/2006/03/30/academic-citations/" rel="nofollow">citation plugin</a> is nice too &#8211; just the kind of unobtrusive scholarly/academic/library accoutrements that could add value to the collection for the researcher-of-the-future.
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		<title>By: Reverend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

Out of curiosity, how would comments not be key to an archive of a medium like blogs? I really think without archiving the comments---you lose much of the conversation.  But I have to admit, I can see  ton of use cases where the comments are not vital, but for blogs I would think they would be crucial.</description>
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<p>Out of curiosity, how would comments not be key to an archive of a medium like blogs? I really think without archiving the comments&#8212;you lose much of the conversation.  But I have to admit, I can see  ton of use cases where the comments are not vital, but for blogs I would think they would be crucial.
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		<title>By: Richard M. Davis</title>
		<link>http://bavatuesdays.com/archiving-aint-easy-bringing-old-one-off-wp-sites-into-wpmu/comment-page-1/#comment-81749</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard M. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jim I&#039;m hoping our use case will allow us to sidestep the cross-commenting conundrum: we really don&#039;t want comments direct on archived blog posts (or comments)

@Joss Will await this with interest, in case there&#039;s some ideas we can borrow. Though as I mentioned, our centre-of-attention is the Post - but I see the Comment feed is quite central to your plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=d527e81c478ffd01084677e724acf584&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />@Jim I&#8217;m hoping our use case will allow us to sidestep the cross-commenting conundrum: we really don&#8217;t want comments direct on archived blog posts (or comments)</p>
<p>@Joss Will await this with interest, in case there&#8217;s some ideas we can borrow. Though as I mentioned, our centre-of-attention is the Post &#8211; but I see the Comment feed is quite central to your plans.
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		<title>By: Joss Winn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joss Winn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if this will contribute to solving your problem, but the JISCPress project will release a WordPress plugin which will produce RSS feeds for comment authors, based on their email address. Feeds for individual comment authors are not currently available on WordPress.

http://code.google.com/p/jiscpress/issues/detail?id=8

We hope to have this ready for the end of July.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=4270169f7652a37e9d18e147d3c87c0f&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />I don&#8217;t know if this will contribute to solving your problem, but the JISCPress project will release a WordPress plugin which will produce RSS feeds for comment authors, based on their email address. Feeds for individual comment authors are not currently available on WordPress.</p>
<p><a href="http://code.google.com/p/jiscpress/issues/detail?id=8" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/p/jiscpress/issues/detail?id=8</a></p>
<p>We hope to have this ready for the end of July.
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		<title>By: Reverend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Richard,

I&#039;ve seen your work and it is a brilliant idea, I&#039;ll definitely be in touch.  And the idea of allowing comments to show up on both the orginal and aggregated blog post is really the issue, a cross-aggregation mechanism should be fairly straightforward for wordpress given they now link comments directly to posts, the reall issue though comes down to the fact that all the different services like Blooger, LiveJournal, TypePad, etc. have very different ways of dealing with comments, making this a half-baked solution.  I think the solution may lie in larger identity management for comments across the internet, a place where people control their comments much like they control their log space.  But that is beyond me, and Stephen Downes has talk about this in some depth in regards to identity management, and it makes sense.  But for now I, like you, am searching for the quick fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a3ce4e45c979a8523a2098808847fcc5&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Hi Richard,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen your work and it is a brilliant idea, I&#8217;ll definitely be in touch.  And the idea of allowing comments to show up on both the orginal and aggregated blog post is really the issue, a cross-aggregation mechanism should be fairly straightforward for wordpress given they now link comments directly to posts, the reall issue though comes down to the fact that all the different services like Blooger, LiveJournal, TypePad, etc. have very different ways of dealing with comments, making this a half-baked solution.  I think the solution may lie in larger identity management for comments across the internet, a place where people control their comments much like they control their log space.  But that is beyond me, and Stephen Downes has talk about this in some depth in regards to identity management, and it makes sense.  But for now I, like you, am searching for the quick fix.
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		<title>By: Richard M. Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard M. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim

They say great minds think alike... and fools seldom differ!

I&#039;m working on the ArchivePress project, and hope we can keep in touch. Our chief aim is to find an alternative to the crawling/spidering approach of much web archiving, that treats blogs as static pages, and ignores the potential of treating them as the dynamic data sources they really are: the Post, not the Page, is the atom of blogging.

At the moment we are trying out scenarios much like yours using a single WP installation, but once we&#039;ve got our basic concepts proved, WPMU is the logical next step. 

As you say, importing Comments is the real killer in making this approach an acceptable solution; and ideally we want to be non-invasive of the original blog (not needing login, API key etc). My current idea is to emulate the functionality of FeedWordPress, automatically seeding the aggregator with the URL of the Comments RSS-feed for each Post imported - as long as we can reliably find it in the feed item entry. If you come across anyone who manages to make an progress with that before we do, please let me know!

Better get back to write something for our blog now...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=d527e81c478ffd01084677e724acf584&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Hi Jim</p>
<p>They say great minds think alike&#8230; and fools seldom differ!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m working on the ArchivePress project, and hope we can keep in touch. Our chief aim is to find an alternative to the crawling/spidering approach of much web archiving, that treats blogs as static pages, and ignores the potential of treating them as the dynamic data sources they really are: the Post, not the Page, is the atom of blogging.</p>
<p>At the moment we are trying out scenarios much like yours using a single WP installation, but once we&#8217;ve got our basic concepts proved, WPMU is the logical next step. </p>
<p>As you say, importing Comments is the real killer in making this approach an acceptable solution; and ideally we want to be non-invasive of the original blog (not needing login, API key etc). My current idea is to emulate the functionality of FeedWordPress, automatically seeding the aggregator with the URL of the Comments RSS-feed for each Post imported &#8211; as long as we can reliably find it in the feed item entry. If you come across anyone who manages to make an progress with that before we do, please let me know!</p>
<p>Better get back to write something for our blog now&#8230;!
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I put them all together so if I have two 6 directories I just put the stuff from both inside one 6 directory.  I&#039;d have minor trouble if I then had duplicate file names w/in there but haven&#039;t hit that so far.  Be a fairly easy change to make though and I&#039;d get the &quot;You really wanna replace this?&quot; error to warn me.  

I know no fu.  I practice random acts of computer violence without rhyme or reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=0d68476e73baa60f59ecf194c1e910f6&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />I put them all together so if I have two 6 directories I just put the stuff from both inside one 6 directory.  I&#8217;d have minor trouble if I then had duplicate file names w/in there but haven&#8217;t hit that so far.  Be a fairly easy change to make though and I&#8217;d get the &#8220;You really wanna replace this?&#8221; error to warn me.  </p>
<p>I know no fu.  I practice random acts of computer violence without rhyme or reason.
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