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		<title>By: The Design of Openess &#187; Cloning the Empire or, Radical Reuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Design of Openess &#187; Cloning the Empire or, Radical Reuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 21:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An interesting experiment worth mentioning, particularly given the nature of the CUNY system. UMW cloned it&#8217;s installatiion of UMW Blogs for Longwood University. The service is still hosted on the same database and shares the same files, plugins, themes, etc. The only difference is it has it&#8217;s own unique domain, and can create it&#8217;s own specific environment. Two schools running off on installation, sharing costs, resources, and opening up some fascinating possibilities for connecting students and classes from different institutions. Read more about this here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] An interesting experiment worth mentioning, particularly given the nature of the CUNY system. UMW cloned it&#8217;s installatiion of UMW Blogs for Longwood University. The service is still hosted on the same database and shares the same files, plugins, themes, etc. The only difference is it has it&#8217;s own unique domain, and can create it&#8217;s own specific environment. Two schools running off on installation, sharing costs, resources, and opening up some fascinating possibilities for connecting students and classes from different institutions. Read more about this here. [...]
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		<title>By: Open by Design &#187; Cloning the Empire or, Radical Reuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open by Design &#187; Cloning the Empire or, Radical Reuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 05:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An interesting experiment worth mentioning, particularly given the nature of the CUNY system. UMW cloned it&#8217;s installatiion of UMW Blogs for Longwood University. The service is still hosted on the same database and shares the same files, plugins, themes, etc. The only difference is it has it&#8217;s own unique domain, and can create it&#8217;s own specific environment. Two schools running off on installation, sharing costs, resources, and opening up some fascinating possibilities for connecting students and classes from different institutions. Read more about this here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] An interesting experiment worth mentioning, particularly given the nature of the CUNY system. UMW cloned it&#8217;s installatiion of UMW Blogs for Longwood University. The service is still hosted on the same database and shares the same files, plugins, themes, etc. The only difference is it has it&#8217;s own unique domain, and can create it&#8217;s own specific environment. Two schools running off on installation, sharing costs, resources, and opening up some fascinating possibilities for connecting students and classes from different institutions. Read more about this here. [...]
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		<title>By: Mapping a domain within a domain at bavatuesdays</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mapping a domain within a domain at bavatuesdays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and potentially more sharing and lower costs for everyone involved&#8212;for more on this here is my post about this experiment from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and potentially more sharing and lower costs for everyone involved&#8212;for more on this here is my post about this experiment from [...]
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		<title>By: Buddy Press and the Flat Decentralized Architecture. &#8211; New South Blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buddy Press and the Flat Decentralized Architecture. &#8211; New South Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] offers the potential to centralise a massive network of blogs (see the recent propogation of the UMW blogs two another whole campus in a couple of clicks - but still on one server) the system has no &#8216;walls&#8217; meaning that every tag, blog, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] offers the potential to centralise a massive network of blogs (see the recent propogation of the UMW blogs two another whole campus in a couple of clicks &#8211; but still on one server) the system has no &#8216;walls&#8217; meaning that every tag, blog, [...]
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		<title>By: On Writing &#8220;Learning Content&#8221; in the Cloud &#171; OUseful.Info, the blog&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>On Writing &#8220;Learning Content&#8221; in the Cloud &#171; OUseful.Info, the blog&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of bloggers cross referencing each other through posts, comments and trackbacks - Jim Groom&#8217;s UMW edu-publishing platform or D&#8217;Arcy Norman&#8217;s UCalgary Blogs platform are examples of what a hacked-off-the-shelf [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of bloggers cross referencing each other through posts, comments and trackbacks &#8211; Jim Groom&#8217;s UMW edu-publishing platform or D&#8217;Arcy Norman&#8217;s UCalgary Blogs platform are examples of what a hacked-off-the-shelf [...]
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		<title>By: Bill Fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, all,

I think there&#039;s something about the Thanksgiving time of year that inspires reflection about the bigger picture -- perhaps it&#039;s because we&#039;ve all had a few months of the academic year to put our summer plans into place, and reflect upon them. 

Or maybe it&#039;s coincidence. 

But Jim, your post is impeccably timed, and Andre&#039;s contribution above is another important aspect to consider.

I&#039;ve been considering setting up some documentation about how to replicate the various pieces of a distributed blogging platform to support a variety of course blogging exercises -- think of it as blog meets portfolio meets curriculum authoring environment, with users dropping their content into (and out of) the institutional infrastructure.

The various authoring environments (aka blogs) can come from anywhere. With tools like Pipes, and the various syndication and embed structures we&#039;ve all been discussing, moving content is becoming easier and easier. And this allows us to break our system into multiple pieces, with only some of these pieces (ie, the central aggregation site that collects the various feeds for courses) needing to under the direct control of the institution.

I&#039;m glossing over some significant details here, but the gist of what I&#039;m saying is this: a decentralized structure, with clearly defined points of contact, will be easier to set up and maintain because no single piece will need to bear the brunt of the load. Can these systems scale? Yes, absolutely. However, the myth of the enterprise needs to be fully exposed here. No one system needs to do it all, and using the FUD of &quot;it won&#039;t scale&quot; as an argument for not trying is pretty stale feed.

So, you want to go in on documenting the tips and tricks that make these types of systems possible? More importantly, how much of this documentation is already written and can be repurposed with this goal in mind?

Now if I just knew someplace where I could set up a wiki.

Cheers,

Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=c0eb3e06a324ace9c70bd3e1b397d0e7&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Hello, all,</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s something about the Thanksgiving time of year that inspires reflection about the bigger picture &#8212; perhaps it&#8217;s because we&#8217;ve all had a few months of the academic year to put our summer plans into place, and reflect upon them. </p>
<p>Or maybe it&#8217;s coincidence. </p>
<p>But Jim, your post is impeccably timed, and Andre&#8217;s contribution above is another important aspect to consider.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been considering setting up some documentation about how to replicate the various pieces of a distributed blogging platform to support a variety of course blogging exercises &#8212; think of it as blog meets portfolio meets curriculum authoring environment, with users dropping their content into (and out of) the institutional infrastructure.</p>
<p>The various authoring environments (aka blogs) can come from anywhere. With tools like Pipes, and the various syndication and embed structures we&#8217;ve all been discussing, moving content is becoming easier and easier. And this allows us to break our system into multiple pieces, with only some of these pieces (ie, the central aggregation site that collects the various feeds for courses) needing to under the direct control of the institution.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glossing over some significant details here, but the gist of what I&#8217;m saying is this: a decentralized structure, with clearly defined points of contact, will be easier to set up and maintain because no single piece will need to bear the brunt of the load. Can these systems scale? Yes, absolutely. However, the myth of the enterprise needs to be fully exposed here. No one system needs to do it all, and using the FUD of &#8220;it won&#8217;t scale&#8221; as an argument for not trying is pretty stale feed.</p>
<p>So, you want to go in on documenting the tips and tricks that make these types of systems possible? More importantly, how much of this documentation is already written and can be repurposed with this goal in mind?</p>
<p>Now if I just knew someplace where I could set up a wiki.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Bill
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		<title>By: Andre Malan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre Malan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jim,

I agree with you that the only way that institutions are ever going to do edTech properly is if they work together and share like this. Budgets are simply too tight. However, we have been having conversations about doing the same thing here at UBC (for instance some faculties want their own system that they can control). The problems that we have come up with are the following:

1)How much do people pay for server space. Although sharing with one smaller University is fine... what about sharing with 10? Or 20? Your server will be brought to its needs.
2)The institutions or departments ¨piggybacking¨ don´t really have full control. They can´t go in and easily add themes or plugins. Customization and ownership stops for them at the WordPress UI.
3)How do we truly share development? What happens when you come up with a radical idea to improve UMW on the back end but the other institution doesn´t want to do it?

All of these concerns have pushed us to take a different model in our approach to sharing. We are busy working on making every aspect of our development easily accessible from the main blog site, everything from plugins to ways to make the database run better.That way others can easily copy what we have done, but without exposing us to the risks of actually hosting them ourselves.

That being said, we´ve already been burned by synchronization issues... us updating something critical and the ¨piggybacking¨ department not doing it leading to crisis. 

I´m still not sure which is the best solution...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=1ec6b520a60486daa13e7204fac7412a&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Hey Jim,</p>
<p>I agree with you that the only way that institutions are ever going to do edTech properly is if they work together and share like this. Budgets are simply too tight. However, we have been having conversations about doing the same thing here at UBC (for instance some faculties want their own system that they can control). The problems that we have come up with are the following:</p>
<p>1)How much do people pay for server space. Although sharing with one smaller University is fine&#8230; what about sharing with 10? Or 20? Your server will be brought to its needs.<br />
2)The institutions or departments ¨piggybacking¨ don´t really have full control. They can´t go in and easily add themes or plugins. Customization and ownership stops for them at the WordPress UI.<br />
3)How do we truly share development? What happens when you come up with a radical idea to improve UMW on the back end but the other institution doesn´t want to do it?</p>
<p>All of these concerns have pushed us to take a different model in our approach to sharing. We are busy working on making every aspect of our development easily accessible from the main blog site, everything from plugins to ways to make the database run better.That way others can easily copy what we have done, but without exposing us to the risks of actually hosting them ourselves.</p>
<p>That being said, we´ve already been burned by synchronization issues&#8230; us updating something critical and the ¨piggybacking¨ department not doing it leading to crisis. </p>
<p>I´m still not sure which is the best solution&#8230;
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		<title>By: Reverend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan,
Your comment made my &lt;delete&gt;day&lt;/delete&gt; week. That is exactly the idea behind this post: to share this stuff out so that we can, as a community, help each other frame an online publishing environment that will allow us to focus on the teaching and learning through the technology, not become  slave to it. So, in short, I would love to visit some time next week. I will contact you directly, but thanks for the comment here---it epitomizes the logic of what this work should be about.

Thanks,
Jim</description>
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Your comment made my <delete>day</delete> week. That is exactly the idea behind this post: to share this stuff out so that we can, as a community, help each other frame an online publishing environment that will allow us to focus on the teaching and learning through the technology, not become  slave to it. So, in short, I would love to visit some time next week. I will contact you directly, but thanks for the comment here&#8212;it epitomizes the logic of what this work should be about.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Jim
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		<title>By: Susan Carter Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Carter Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,
I am right down the street at Fredericksburg Academy. I would love to talk to you about this (not that I am asking you to duplicate your efforts, more that I need to understand the concept). Do you have any time for a visit in the next few weeks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=e029f85c0514b3a257607ce1244b6651&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Jim,<br />
I am right down the street at Fredericksburg Academy. I would love to talk to you about this (not that I am asking you to duplicate your efforts, more that I need to understand the concept). Do you have any time for a visit in the next few weeks?
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		<title>By: Mario A . Núñez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario A . Núñez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Groom is the WPMU God and he is doing miracles everywhere.</description>
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