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		<title>By: StarWarsFigure</title>
		<link>http://bavatuesdays.com/do-you-need-to-see-the-star-wars-films/comment-page-1/#comment-83067</link>
		<dc:creator>StarWarsFigure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a similar experience. I really liked the original trilogy, and that&#039;s one for the reasons I started collecting Star Wars action figures, models etc. years ago. But then I got so disappointed with episode I that also decided not to watch the other two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=26472ec3c00258fcab1832e14a5b26a0&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />I have a similar experience. I really liked the original trilogy, and that&#8217;s one for the reasons I started collecting Star Wars action figures, models etc. years ago. But then I got so disappointed with episode I that also decided not to watch the other two.
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		<title>By: Ed Webb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Jim, you&#039;re right.  On I and II, anyway.  Having swallowed those two, I couldn&#039;t even bring myself to see III, so I suppose it is just about possible that that one didn&#039;t suck.  And I loved and still love IV-VI, even in all their glorious cheesiness, even with the extra cheese of the remixed, added digital effects versions.  Nope - I&#039;m a Star Wars fan who loathes the more recent incarnations.  That shark was seriously jumped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=6e2f354492f94463461a1401379997eb&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />No, Jim, you&#8217;re right.  On I and II, anyway.  Having swallowed those two, I couldn&#8217;t even bring myself to see III, so I suppose it is just about possible that that one didn&#8217;t suck.  And I loved and still love IV-VI, even in all their glorious cheesiness, even with the extra cheese of the remixed, added digital effects versions.  Nope &#8211; I&#8217;m a Star Wars fan who loathes the more recent incarnations.  That shark was seriously jumped.
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		<title>By: Reverend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosie,

I do follow-up on that with acknowledging my biases, hoep I didn;t offend.  But Jar-Jar Binks? That was tough to accept after the beauty that is Chewbacca.</description>
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<p>I do follow-up on that with acknowledging my biases, hoep I didn;t offend.  But Jar-Jar Binks? That was tough to accept after the beauty that is Chewbacca.
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		<title>By: Rosie Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosie Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How can he know so much about the series and never have seen one of the movies, not even episodes I, II, and III (even though they suck!).&lt;/i&gt;


You lost me here.  Good bye.</description>
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<p>You lost me here.  Good bye.
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		<title>By: Jogos Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jogos Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think that it is essential to have seen the films to fully apprecitae this stuff. Action figures and spins of games will never be fully appreciated otherwise.

http://www.topjogosonline.com</description>
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		<title>By: jimgroom</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimgroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 02:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

I will read that asap, thanks for the tip.  It&#039;s funny you should talk about Jenkins in this context because I took a class on Animation in Grad School with Heather Hendershot which was a cultural history of animation in TV and Film.  

One of the texts I picked up for my research  paper was &lt;em&gt;The Children&#039;s Culture Reader&lt;em&gt; which was edited by Henry Jenkins.  It&#039;s an awesome anthology of essays on the very issues you raise in your comment, marketing and Saturday morning cartoons during the 1980s.  The questions of the child as consumer, selling toys and food to children, etc.  It deals with much more than that, but I focused on these reading s because my paper for the class was on the movie &lt;em&gt;South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut&lt;/em&gt; (one of the funnest papaers I wrote in grad school).

This book has several essays that frame the darker side of child as author (as I think your suggesting), it is child as consumer. Or, as in my case, children as an indomitable force of brand recognition that will subvert all parenting strategies and lead you to dragging your kid out of Borders kicking and screaming! (personalize experience mind you.)</description>
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<p>I will read that asap, thanks for the tip.  It&#8217;s funny you should talk about Jenkins in this context because I took a class on Animation in Grad School with Heather Hendershot which was a cultural history of animation in TV and Film.  </p>
<p>One of the texts I picked up for my research  paper was <em>The Children&#8217;s Culture Reader</em><em> which was edited by Henry Jenkins.  It&#8217;s an awesome anthology of essays on the very issues you raise in your comment, marketing and Saturday morning cartoons during the 1980s.  The questions of the child as consumer, selling toys and food to children, etc.  It deals with much more than that, but I focused on these reading s because my paper for the class was on the movie </em><em>South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut</em> (one of the funnest papaers I wrote in grad school).</p>
<p>This book has several essays that frame the darker side of child as author (as I think your suggesting), it is child as consumer. Or, as in my case, children as an indomitable force of brand recognition that will subvert all parenting strategies and lead you to dragging your kid out of Borders kicking and screaming! (personalize experience mind you.)
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		<title>By: Chris L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim -  if you haven&#039;t already, run don&#039;t walk, and read the section on transmedia storytelling and The Matrix in Jenkins&#039; book _Convergence Culture_ -- 

I&#039;ve noticed this effect for a long time... sometimes in a way that tricks the consumer. When my children were 3 and 4 they were all about the Lion King. They talked about it as if it were a part of their living environment, not a movie they had never seen! &quot;All&quot; they had been exposed to was the marketing-- particularly the cross-media items, from video games to happy meals to childrens&#039; books to clothing decals.

Actually, my daughter was even convinced she had seen the movie though I knew she hadn&#039;t-- I was very careful about what they could watch and she&#039;d never even been to the theatre yet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=49ffd9d711bdc29d66183c1f99065742&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Jim &#8211;  if you haven&#8217;t already, run don&#8217;t walk, and read the section on transmedia storytelling and The Matrix in Jenkins&#8217; book _Convergence Culture_ &#8212; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed this effect for a long time&#8230; sometimes in a way that tricks the consumer. When my children were 3 and 4 they were all about the Lion King. They talked about it as if it were a part of their living environment, not a movie they had never seen! &#8220;All&#8221; they had been exposed to was the marketing&#8211; particularly the cross-media items, from video games to happy meals to childrens&#8217; books to clothing decals.</p>
<p>Actually, my daughter was even convinced she had seen the movie though I knew she hadn&#8217;t&#8211; I was very careful about what they could watch and she&#8217;d never even been to the theatre yet!
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		<title>By: jimgroom</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimgroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scott -the legend has certainly become greater than the first go around, and I think this &quot;parable&quot; gets at the heart of the evolution of the Star Wars saga to something much bigger than a few movies.

@Sue - Child as author &amp; Brick films, brilliant and does a much better job of framing the intricacies of this new development much better then my ad hoc approach.  I haven&#039;t seen the brick film so this is a huge link, thanks for this.

@Jamie -commenting again I see- I love it! That is definitely the question.  I bet my nephews and neighbor are like, &quot;Movies, how two-dimensional can he be.  I want something I can interact with and create with -I don&#039;t want my narratives force fed.&quot;  And given how weak the narratives of episodes  1, 2, and 3 were, they may have an excellent point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a3ce4e45c979a8523a2098808847fcc5&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />@Scott -the legend has certainly become greater than the first go around, and I think this &#8220;parable&#8221; gets at the heart of the evolution of the Star Wars saga to something much bigger than a few movies.</p>
<p>@Sue &#8211; Child as author &#038; Brick films, brilliant and does a much better job of framing the intricacies of this new development much better then my ad hoc approach.  I haven&#8217;t seen the brick film so this is a huge link, thanks for this.</p>
<p>@Jamie -commenting again I see- I love it! That is definitely the question.  I bet my nephews and neighbor are like, &#8220;Movies, how two-dimensional can he be.  I want something I can interact with and create with -I don&#8217;t want my narratives force fed.&#8221;  And given how weak the narratives of episodes  1, 2, and 3 were, they may have an excellent point.
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		<title>By: Jami Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jami Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really interesting post.  I love love love the movies (I was one of those crazies who camped out so that I could see the re-releases of 4-6 and the releases of 1-3 on the first day).  And I owned action figures as a kid (and those great lightsabers with the sounds as an adult - but that is another story).  
But I have never played a Star Wars video game or had a Legos Star Wars set.  Makes me wonder if &quot;kids today&quot;, the ones who haven&#039;t seen the movies but love these games and sets, would think that I was the one missing out on the full Star Wars experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=6eea1d34916047572ee6349d9eeab88d&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Really interesting post.  I love love love the movies (I was one of those crazies who camped out so that I could see the re-releases of 4-6 and the releases of 1-3 on the first day).  And I owned action figures as a kid (and those great lightsabers with the sounds as an adult &#8211; but that is another story).<br />
But I have never played a Star Wars video game or had a Legos Star Wars set.  Makes me wonder if &#8220;kids today&#8221;, the ones who haven&#8217;t seen the movies but love these games and sets, would think that I was the one missing out on the full Star Wars experience.
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion (one that provokes flashbacks to 1977!) Then, as now, the thrill of Star Wars also seems linked to the role of child as Author, doesn&#039;t it? Epic figures to mobilize and inhabit, with the flash of a humming light-saber...

The Lego(TM) and Star Wars marriage attracts its audience on a parallel plane -- but here I think its actually a case of industry belatedly appropriating a creative subculture all its own: Brickfilms.

http://www.brickfilms.com/films/332</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=9cbe30f0ab216d2ed9d00a6f98223d26&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Great discussion (one that provokes flashbacks to 1977!) Then, as now, the thrill of Star Wars also seems linked to the role of child as Author, doesn&#8217;t it? Epic figures to mobilize and inhabit, with the flash of a humming light-saber&#8230;</p>
<p>The Lego(TM) and Star Wars marriage attracts its audience on a parallel plane &#8212; but here I think its actually a case of industry belatedly appropriating a creative subculture all its own: Brickfilms.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.brickfilms.com/films/332" rel="nofollow">http://www.brickfilms.com/films/332</a>
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